Posts by Ultimate Axiom

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The Truth about the bible

by TTWSYF in

it really is common sense, but nobody here seems to recognize or acknowledge this blatant and obvious truth.. the holy bible is the result of the catholic liturgy.

they used these scriptures in their religious practices and confirmed which books would and would not be part of their cannon.

they picked, preserved and promoted these books and gave 'the word of god' to the world.. i know that pisses off some folks, but it is the truth [not the 'truth'tm].

Ultimate Axiom

The Bible is based on the Catholic Church.

How do you work that out? The bible came first, and most of it is Jewish, not Christian.

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The Truth about the bible

by TTWSYF in

it really is common sense, but nobody here seems to recognize or acknowledge this blatant and obvious truth.. the holy bible is the result of the catholic liturgy.

they used these scriptures in their religious practices and confirmed which books would and would not be part of their cannon.

they picked, preserved and promoted these books and gave 'the word of god' to the world.. i know that pisses off some folks, but it is the truth [not the 'truth'tm].

Ultimate Axiom

They used these scriptures in their religious practices and confirmed which books would and would not be part of THEIR cannon.

Even if this were true (which it isn’t) it would only apply to the new testament. The OT cannon was pretty much established long before Jesus arrived.

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Ignorance of Watchtower doctrine among young JW's

by nicolaou in

i've been having a conversation with a young jw on twitter and have, once again, come up against beliefs that do not match up with official watchtower doctrine.

if you like you can read the full thread here (you'll need to click on some comments to open it all up).. anyway the upshot is that this jw, and many like her, believe that only truly wicked people will be killed at armageddon - not innocent babies and children or anyone who "didn't know better" perhaps because they didn't get a witness.

it's as though they cannot accept the obvious injustice of jehovah's morality.. this jw teenager believes that all these non-jw's who survive armageddon will get their chance to prove their loyalty during the 1000 year reign of christ - again, not a watchtower teaching.. i don't really have a question to ask, this is just an observation.

Ultimate Axiom

some resurrected people would be allowed to practice vile things during Christ's 1000 year reign

TFG, I've only heard that said about the period at the end of the 1000 years after Satan is released. I would be keen to have a reference in JW literature that says it will happen during the 1000 years. Do you have one?

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New Textbook For Elders

by Lost in the fog in

i have to say that i found item 3 on the above page raised questions in my mind.

if an elder is deleted presumably for wrongdoing the hard copy text book is taken off him and destroyed.

but who ensures that any electronic copies of the book in his possession are deleted?

Ultimate Axiom

Destroying the soft copies is a bit late anyway, don't they know it's already out there? I have a copy and I was never an elder.

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Beautiful Circularity

by Euphemism in

just ran across this beautiful example of circular reasoning from the watchtower.w85 12/1 31. .

questions from readers.

was the apostle paul part of the christian governing body?.

Ultimate Axiom

Let’s suppose we humour them with the existence of a first century GB. Consider this from their article;

The point is that the Bible does not give a complete list of names of those making up the governing body.

There is a good reason for that, the first century GB (sic) were not a bunch of self promoting, self adulating Pharisees. They were quite content to stay humbly in the background.

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Life as a Perfect Human in the New System of Things

by RubaDub in

i have always wondered how basic things that we do to ourselves will be handled as "perfect" human beings.. i recall someone here had a quote from an old wt that said that if we fall off a roof or something that there will be some "force" to soften the fall and we will not be injured.. but, as a perfect human, if we travel to mexico and drink water from the tap, will we get the squirts, flying shits, montezuma's revenge, or whatever you wish to call it?

maybe we will be protected as perfect human beings and have colons that also are perfect.

but who knows.. just pondering these common things that we take for granted.. rub a dub.

Ultimate Axiom

This is typical Rutherford fantasising, it doesn’t seem to have occurred to him that if you can float about like a feather, there will be no need for elevators or stairs. Mind you, negative gravity aeroplanes will still be quite useful for getting across continents in a hurry, although with eternity at your disposal, who needs to hurry?

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Life as a Perfect Human in the New System of Things

by RubaDub in

i have always wondered how basic things that we do to ourselves will be handled as "perfect" human beings.. i recall someone here had a quote from an old wt that said that if we fall off a roof or something that there will be some "force" to soften the fall and we will not be injured.. but, as a perfect human, if we travel to mexico and drink water from the tap, will we get the squirts, flying shits, montezuma's revenge, or whatever you wish to call it?

maybe we will be protected as perfect human beings and have colons that also are perfect.

but who knows.. just pondering these common things that we take for granted.. rub a dub.

Ultimate Axiom

Here it is RubaDub, Golden Age, 24 March 1926, page 404.

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Looking for a WT article

by Leopold theseconed in

i am looking for a article that appeared with in the last 15 years or so.

i can’t remember much other than there was a drawing of a young man climbing out of a hole in the ground.

not much info but if that joggs a memory with someone i would appreciate knowing more about it.

Ultimate Axiom

Is this the one you're after? If so, it's from the Aug 15 2012 Watchtower. If not, perhaps you could provide some more information, the title perhaps, or at least what the article was about.

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Scriptural Understanding

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

can all explain what you understand from this verse/how it does or does not connect with the ministry that jdubs do?.

"let us hold fast the public declaration" - hebrews 10:23a nwt.

means "go door to door".

Ultimate Axiom

john.prester

I read it that way because that’s how all modern translations render it. It’s about keeping the faith, not preaching it.

Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. (NIV)

And let us hold unwaveringly to the hope that we confess, for the one who made the promise is trustworthy. (NET)

let’s hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering; for he who promised is faithful. (WEB)

We must hold tightly to the hope that we say is ours. After all, we can trust the one who made the agreement with us. (CEV)

Let’s hold on to the confession of our hope without wavering, because the one who made the promises is reliable. (CEB)

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Scriptural Understanding

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

can all explain what you understand from this verse/how it does or does not connect with the ministry that jdubs do?.

"let us hold fast the public declaration" - hebrews 10:23a nwt.

means "go door to door".

Ultimate Axiom

It's got nothing to do with making a declaration of any kind, either in a pulpit or door to door. It's telling Christians to hold fast to the hope they claim to have because Christ is faithful.